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Draft—DEX
2007, Part 3a: DEX-COOL® Class Action lawsuits filed against General Motors have produced the expected ton of evidence. Among that stack, however, are several internal, documents that appear to be from GM's own Quality Control groups. For some reason, these somewhat embarrassing papers not only ended up as evidence, but evidence in the public domain.
To help ameliorate the sliding confidence in DEX at the service shop and technician level, GM began reaching out 2001 to auto service organizations, like NARSA. At meetings with cooling system technicians, they recommended specific parts and procedures to help stem the tide of severe problems in certain DEX-charged vehicles. Below are evidentiary quotes from behind the scenes efforts that undoubtedly led to that outreach. Mole and I believe them to be valuable to both cooling system service technicians and vehicle owners. Much of misinterpretation and confusion about DEX problems can be corrected by reading the contents of these documents. They are in no particular date order. 1.
From a March 2000 meeting presentation titled: 2.
Cynicism at GM: Slide
two: 3.
This presentation panel pointed out some fairly strong customer
dissatisfaction. As "Regional Service Managers Input,"
it's coming from their own people! 4.
One slide contains 3 bulleted thoughts on the financial burden DEX laid
on GM's Warranty Plan: two define the problem and one delivers a
solution: 5.
Speaking of Customer Satisfaction Policy above, how about a $23.2M
"Proposed Action" to handle a Full Recall for just '98-'99 S/T
vehicles: 6.
Here's one from a June 29, 2000 Project Summary that explains rust in B
Model car cooling systems. 7.
Here they mention that all contamination is not the same in makeup, but
it's created by the same condition. 8.
They must be fairly sure that the pressure cap will alleviate the
problem. 9.
Here's more on the pressure cap situation. Plus, they're giving good
advice to their test lab personnel. 10.
Internal survey results show a startling amount of contamination on the
radiator cap. I bouht a new Chevy S-10 4x4 4.3L pickup truck in 2004 with a automatic transmission at a slightly below dealer price since I work at the GM aluminum castings plant in Massena, NY and the engine had been assembled in Tonawanda, NY in Oct. 2003. The very first thing I did at the dealers was to check all fluid levels of the truck at the dealers before signing the final papers, to my suprise when I checked the Anti-freeze strength it was only good to -15 Deg. F. of the Dex-cool, I told the sales guy to fix the problem and get the ratio to 50% water and 50% Dex-cool only so he corrected it, the other fluids looked to be correct. I back flush the system on this truck every 3 years or 25,000 miles whichever comes first since the Dex-cool is cheaper then getting any cooling system problems. GM loves to cut corners to try and save a few cents. Is the 2006 3.5 V-6 vulernable to this condition? I gone through to IMG failures on a 1996 Beretta and a moth ago on a 2002 Malibu with the 3.1. By referencing the site below, you'll see that the vehicle year models covered range from 1995 to 2004. Coverage is vehicle model, year and engine specific. My 2003 chev blazer with a 4.3 had a coolant leaking from the img. When I replaced the img the old gaskets where eaton up at the coolant ports and fell apart . cooling system was clean. Installed victor gaskets and new dex cool. Thanks for that info, Jack. It started leaking at 60k and I added GM stop leak, replaced img at 90k. Working geat I've been reading the problems with Dex Cool. I have a 1999 Pontiac Sunfire and just spent $1,488.60 getting a new water pump. I am very faithful in maintaining my car and could not understand my water pump going out with 65,100 miles. Everyone was telling me I bought a "lemon" of a car and brand. I'm really quite upset about this. Hi Patricia, Two thoughts about your message: 1. What engine do you have in the Sunfire? I don't believe you have any of the suspect engines but I'm not sure. Generally, the water pump is not the first thing "to go" in the vehicles affected by these articles and the DEX-Class Action lawsuit. 2. It would take a lot more than a water pump going out at 65K miles to constitute a "lemon." Hello, Today during regular service I found that the water pump is leaking and the coolant in the recovery tank was very low. I've been reading about the dexcool controversy and am confused as to whether I should switch over to green coolant when I replace the pump or use dexcool again? Are there any drawbacks to switching to the green coolant? Thanks Wayne, It's quite possible that your only problem is a leaking water pump; it certainly explains low coolant. If you read the article previous to the one on this page, you'll learn about leaking intake manifold gaskets, low coolant and massived contamination in the cooling system. In general, DEX-COOL appears to accelerate the degradation of those gaskets and that would be the genesis of your problems. Your regular maintenance has probably controlled the more severe system damage that others have experienced. You can switch to Green at any time. Your service life drops back to 2-years or 30K miles instead of 5-years, 150K miles enjoyed by long-life DEX. But before doing anything, I'd have a cooling system specialist, experienced in your vehicle, check out the engine/system carefully. IMG leaks are very difficult to see or detect. just bought this used 57.000 miles from a dealer intake gaskets went bad they say its fixed but im losing coolent 2 weeks later can ichange to green antifreeze or will i void my warrenty Intake Manifold Gaskets in the never 5.3, 4.8 6.0 and 8.1 liter engines are not affected by DexCool, since the coolant crossover through the intake manifold was eliminated by a revised design of these engines. In other words, on these engines coolant never comes in contact with the Intake Manifold Gasket. However, there is a Technical Service Bulletin for these engines that deals with coolant loss on the 4.8 and 5.3 Liter engines. It identifies cracks in the cylinder heads as reason for the coolant loss. I googled and found quite a bit of information about these non-DEX related coolant leaks at this gm-trucks.com forum site: I've changed the comments-display-tpl.php file as per Richard. Lets hope the fix works. |
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